Originally the Club 43 was in the upstairs room of the 'Clarendon' on Oxford Road, opposite Stock and Chapman's.
The 'Clarendon' was demolished to make space for the Mancunian Way in the early sixties and for a time, the proceedings adjourned to the room above Burtons the Tailors on the other side of the road. I've got a feeling that I might have played there with the Denis Range Seven, but I'm not sure.
I have a feeling that I might have done quite a few things in the sixties but like they say, if you can remember it, you weren't there. Eventually the 43 moved to a cellar on Amber Street which was between Shude Hill and the Co-op.
Advertised 11 March 1961
Everyone thought that the boss man at the 43 was Ernie Garside and he certainly fronted the operation and did most of the bookings but, I think that Ernie was originally the doorman and the man with the money was 'Scrivens'. When I first met Ernie, his proper job was painting and decorating but he'd been a band boy for the Stan Kenton Orchestra when they came over here on tour. He knew all the local jazzers, most of the London lot and quite a few of the Americans. He was a friend of Maynard Ferguson, the high note trumpet man from the Kenton Band and when Maynard moved over here, he at first lived with Ernie. Ernie managed Maynard for a while and sometimes played fourth or fifth trumpet with Maynard's big band.
When the 43 was at the Clarendon both traditional and modern jazz bands used to play there but eventually the club concentrated on the modern stuff.
In the late fifties, the stupid MU rules prohibiting American musicians from playing over here were dropped and the 43 became a good place to hear some of the top American jazzers who were 'doing Europe'. This was often moonlighting on the part of the Americans and I believe that the promoters who'd paid for them to come over here in the first place were often somewhat miffed. The visiting Americans were almost always complimentary about the local musicians that Ernie put up with them, not least was the late Joe Palin, a fine piano player.
Another of Ernie's friends was the great Dizzy Gillespie. Dizzy has always been one of my heroes; he proved that jazz can be great entertainment as well as great art. Ernie has some good stories about Diz which are perhaps best not repeated.
I think that Ernie is now living down South and that he's not been too well in recent years but he's still involved in the business. One of my lasting memories of him is going to his bungalow in Romiley; there was thick snow on the ground but there were beautiful flowers poking up through the snow. Plastic flowers. Another memory is Ernie sitting in with the band that I was playing with, the Denis Range Seven. Another trumpet player cam up from the audience and the two of them performed a rousing version of the Dizzy Gillespie tune, 'A Night In Tunisia'. Unfortunately neither of them could remember how to end it. It was a long, rousing version.
I only have one memory of the 43 Club at the 'Clarendon'. I went to see Tubby Hayes with a London rhythm section, the drummer being Phil Seaman. Phil was not in great shape that night and spent the entire first half trying - and failing - to put his drum kit together and leaving the band drummerless. My mate, drummer Benny Dennis (see my bit on 'The Crooks Brown Band') was a friend of Phil's and used to look after him on these occasions and there were plenty of 'occasions'. Like the time that Phil broke a needle off in a vein and Benny had to take him to A & E. A great drummer but a sad man.
I believe that a few years ago, a group of local jazzers gathered together under the arches of the Mancunian Way on the site of the 'Clarendon' and had a jam. I expect that the ghost of Miss Chapman was on the other side of the road tapping her ghostly foot (out of time) and beaming at 'her boys'. I hope that some of them felt suitably guilty - they probably still owed her for their instruments.
I remember the club on Amber Street. I only went once because I was into the Shadows at that time!
Probably about 1963.
I was also into jazz organ (Jimmy Smith and Jimmy McGriff) then and went to see Alan Haven with Tony Crombie on drums. My girlfriend wasn't too keen and persuaded me to leave before the end of the second set on the basis that we would miss the last bus home!
I was prompted to find out more about Club 43 after seeing the excellent Jazz in Manchester exhibition at the RNCM during the 2010 Jazz Festival.
There was no mention of Club 43 being at Amber Street near Shude Hill and this was the area where my memory suggested I had seen Ben Webster so I am grateful to Pete Crooks.
I would love to know the date of Ben Webster's appearance.
Also at the RNCM there was a photo of Jimmy Witherspoon along with Gary Cox and I would like to know the location of Club 43 for this gig and a date.
I hope that Pete or someone can help.
Very fond memories of the Club 43 and Ernie Garside - who I still used to see occasionally when he came to London until a few years ago.
I used to go to the 43 and then on to the all nighters an hour after the 43 closed, telling my parents I was staying at a friends house.
I remember dancing with Doodyo, Phil Seaman drinking pernod in pint pots, Joe Harriot, Tubby Hayes, Pete King et al. Then later, when it moved, Ben Webster, Mark Murphy and many others.
Wonderful nights. I remember Eric Scriven - particularly his awful teeth!! Great guy though.
Jean King (nee Readman)
One of the abiding memories I have of my youth is sitting on my own in the company of about two in Club 43 till the early hours of the morning and listening to Joe Harriot blow solo after solo of stunning jazz.
One of, if not the only true great of British jazz.
Anyone remember this club? They had great modern jazz live music I used to go with a guy from Blackburn called Ged Cunningham on my Honda 90 motorbike. (where are you now Jed?) .
I used to go to the all nighters at the old (Brazenose St) Twisted Wheel until they moved to Whitworth St .All great times
We put on a small jazz supper club the last Sunday of every month at the Radisson Blu Edwardian Hotel in Manchester and call it Club 43. Partly in hommage to the original club and it's incarnations, but also to pay hommage to the Free Trade Hall, which houses the hotel now, and its huge history with Jazz Legends that performed here. Many of which also would make visits to Club 43.We are not trying to recreate the club. Just another incarnation of it and somewhere in Manchester to catch the up and coming today.
The reason I am posting is in answer to the question about a photo and which Club 43 it was taken in. There is a book about the history of Jazz in Manchester 40s to 60s - called 'Keeper of the Flame' by Bill Birch. It concentrates very heavily on the Free Trade Hall and a few other venues, but also on Club 43 and all it's locations. He has over 300 photos in that book. I bet there is a very good chance the photo is in that book. If not he has many ticket stubs and programs - you will likely be able to figure it out from his book. just go to the library and check it out. Literally.
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God, the Club 43 upstairs in the Clarendon what memories of Saturday nights in the late 1950s. A scratch band led by "Buddy" Featherstonhaugh plus guests But what was more striking was the audience mostly people who loved the music and the ... Read More
God, the Club 43 upstairs in the Clarendon what memories of Saturday nights in the late 1950s. A scratch band led by "Buddy" Featherstonhaugh plus guestsBut what was more striking was the audience mostly people who loved the music and the venue bur then there was the "stars" who had appeared on that nights Granada tv's Jack Good show. What a sad lot they were. But the music, people and beer WOWDoes any one know of the Left Wing Club in Manchester? I went to some jazz all nighters there
Hi Steve (Sharples), Yes, I definitely remember the all-nighters at the Left-Wing Coffee House, run by the Abady brothers, around 1960-61. It was on a corner near Deansgate, at the bottom of Brazennose St. It shortly afterwards became "The ... Read More
Hi Steve (Sharples),Yes, I definitely remember the all-nighters at the Left-Wing Coffee House, run by the Abady brothers, around 1960-61. It was on a corner near Deansgate, at the bottom of Brazennose St. It shortly afterwards became "The Twisted Wheel",at the same location, but later, whoever was running the Twisted Wheel moved the venue somewhere else, and eventually to the site of the present Monroe's near Piccadilly Station, opposite Store Street on London Road. I played some all-nighters there with my very first band, that appeared on Wednesdays at the Thatched House ("Joe Silmon's Jazzmen"). However, we were "small potatoes" compared to John Rowland and friends, and the visiting musicians such as my old mate John Mayall, by 1962 on the London scene. Also, Harold McNair (alto sax/flute) and others. I joined John's Bluesbreakers in London for a little while, but preferred Jazz to Blues only. Then he had a very young Mr Clapton in the band we played with at the Flamingo, Soho. I hope the Left Wing info. is of some little help. Best wishes. Joe Silmon-Monerri
Saw Archie Shepp at Club 43 and remember a fight breaking out in the doorway between mainstream modern jazz fans and new wave fans. Jimmy Garrison was stuck in the middle of it but didn't get hurt. It was a great night with astonishing music
Hello Everyone, I've been a Jazz multi-reedman from the Manchester Jazz scene (since 1958) - mostly Dixieland, back then, but over the decades, I got to cover most styles of Jazz and a lot of Bossa Nova, where I can use flute as well as the ... Read More
Hello Everyone, I've been a Jazz multi-reedman from the Manchester Jazz scene (since 1958) - mostly Dixieland, back then, but over the decades, I got to cover most styles of Jazz and a lot of Bossa Nova, where I can use flute as well as the saxes. However, I'm a writer too, and after a non-fiction work unrelated to Jazz, I'll be resuming work on "The Manchester Jazz Scene (1919-1990s)". It will include all styles, all individual musicians/vocalists/ dancers from all leanings, all clubs bands/groups/venues/ promoters such as Eric Scriven, who sadly died 13/Oct/2014,see Jazznorthwest.co.uk <Jazz Extras>, <Remembering>,<Eric Scriven> which is an obituary by me. However, there is a briefer piece by Amy Glendinning in the Manchester Evening News, p.26, for Thurs. 16th/Oct./2014, viewable online. For in depth info. on exclusively the Bebop era in Manchester, UK, and everything relating to Club 43(1946-1972),go no further than "Keeper Of The Flame", by Bill Birch. See my review on Amazon (by "Murcianito"). I think Waterstones carry this. I've never played at Club 43, but knew Eric Scriven and Ernie Garside, and Eunice and John Malloch (who ran the 'door'), and played at other venues with almost all the musicians who performed at Club 43. I was also there the night that Ben Webster played, in 1967,I think and definitely at the Amber Street address. After his fabulous performance, with Eric Ferguson on piano that night, several of us musicians and Eric and Ernie were treated to Ben's great stories. He was great at that as well, and we eventually left at 6.30 am to catch our all-night buses from Piccadilly. Happy Days, especially mornings!!! I hope some of this helps those of you searching for details of Club 43's glorious past. But don't forget the local pioneers who started the Manchester Jazz Scene off between 1919 and 1942 [the latter being the Jazz Revival started by Harry Giltrap, who formed the Delta Rhythm Kings, among whom was my old buddy Ken Wray, who died in 1977. We played in The Old Fashioned Love Band together (the Mainstream, Manchester-based one, run by Randy Colville and me ("Joe Silmon"). Best wishes. Joe A A Silmon-Monerri, non-fiction author & Jazzer. Website: http://sil4books.co.uk firstname.lastname@example.org May I respectfully request a copy.
Dear Jo Brown, Sorry, just spotted your comment about Bill Birch's magnificent book, "Keeper Of The Flame" about the Modern Jazz/Bebop aspect of the Manchester Jazz Scene. I referred to it in my comment, without seeing yours. ... Read More
Dear Jo Brown, Sorry, just spotted your comment about Bill Birch's magnificent book, "Keeper Of The Flame" about the Modern Jazz/Bebop aspect of the Manchester Jazz Scene. I referred to it in my comment, without seeing yours. Otherwise, I would not have mentioned it. It was a great era, but there were many other aspects of Jazz to be experienced in Manchester, too. I played twice at the FTH, with the Zenith Six/Chris Barber, 1966-67. Best wishes. Joe A A Silmon-Monerri, Author,Jazzer. May I respectfull request a copy of my first comment of today? Thank you.
I don't remember the club at the Clarendon, only the Amber Street premises where I saw Tubby Hayes. Frank Duffy - ex MSG - also held a Singers' Club there and one night this couple walked in and Frank approached them and said, "Do you ... Read More
I don't remember the club at the Clarendon, only the Amber Street premises where I saw Tubby Hayes. Frank Duffy - ex MSG - also held a Singers' Club there and one night this couple walked in and Frank approached them and said, "Do you sing?". The bearded bloke said, "I'm Chas McDevitt and this is Shirley Douglas." They were in town to appear at the Golden Garter, Wythenshawe. Chas was famous with his skiffle recording of Freight Train. Both these visits happened in June 1966, just a few weeks after Bob Dylan had appeared at the Free Trade Hall, the second half with a band, and it became known as the Judas Concert because someone shouted "Judas!" and walked out.
always been interested in trumpeters having been a failed one,going on to family instrument drums.what became of Julian cowan of bodega Friday modern.alan Jackson of thatched trad.finally derek atkins of gpo club.good times past.still good trumpet ... Read More
always been interested in trumpeters having been a failed one,going on to family instrument drums.what became of Julian cowan of bodega Friday modern.alan Jackson of thatched trad.finally derek atkins of gpo club.good times past.still good trumpet fylde coast.regards malc
I remember the 43 in the late '50 when the house band was led by baritone player Buddy Featherstonhaugh wonderful people used to come and sit in.the other thing in the audience where the 'Stars" from the ITV music showGreat times
sadly 2 regular musicians passed on recently played at club 43.rowly westwood/stan roylance.rowly became m/d at blackpool p/b .great pianist played with him on final gig at galleon bar blackpool.big band up there getting bigger cheers pix