Art Nouveau

Line-Up included 

  • Larry Edwards - Vocals
  • David (Horatio) Kenyon - Sax
  • Rod Dunsford - Trumpet
  • John Murray - Drums
  • Kev Hart - Organ
  • Terry Welch - Guitar
  • Bert Dickinson - Guitar
  • Pete - Bass
  • Phil Platt - guitar/vocals
  • Paul Muggleston - organ - see Me and The Others (below)
  • Greg Pitt / Greg Francis - trumpet 

Late 60s

  • Bert Dickinson - guitar
  • Terry Welch - guitar
  • John  
  • Kevin 
  • Arthur Dixon - vocals
  • Dave - sax

Musically a very sound band - mainly soul but some covers that would be classed as "experimental" at the time. Some Alan Bown stuff, as I remember.  Went out for a time as "Skid Row". 

Eventually went "cabaret" with a girl singer. 

Saxist "HoraIto" played with Campus, who did a stint backing Jimmy "What Becomes of the Broken Hearted" Ruffin. 

 

Final Line up taken in Feb 1978. Line up is (left to right)
Roy Rogers - Drums & Vocals, Marie Smith - Vocals, Terry Welsh - Bass & Vocals, Jez Smith - Keyboards & Vocals

I played drums as a stand in with the Alan Hare Big Band on New Years Eve 1967. I was aged 14, went on the bus on my own with my kit and got a taxi home.  Art Nouveau were the pop group on the evening and good they were too, the drummer had a brand new black Ludwig Kit. Mine was an old 1930's kit but right for the big band sound.

The acoustics were not clever as the venue was Rochdale Town Hall Ballroom. The Ceiling is about 200' high.

Rick Henshaw  - www.rickhenshaw.co.uk

By 1974, Art Nouveau had become a cabaret band , with Terry Welsh on bass the only original member from the early days. They featured a girl called Sue on keyboards and vocals.

In 1974, they appeared on the second series of talent show, New Faces , singing The Lightening Tree (cover of the Settlers song which was also a TV theme tune, I think it was Programme Follyfoot). They won their heat and went through to the All Winners Final where they were on with Showaddywaddy.

By 1975 / 76, they had metamorphasised into a bit of a curious (but decent) Rock / Cabaret band . The line up was Terry Welsh on Bass, Roy Rogers on Drums, Paul Munroe on Guitar and a lad from Keighley, Pete Brook, on keyboards and Lead Vocals.

Their set had an eclectic mix of material e.g. they opened with Happy Together which bizarrely ended with a snatch of screaming guitar playing Bach's Jezu , Joy of Man's Desiring and then segued into cover of Vanilla Fudge's version of You Keep Me Hanging On ! Then came sugary sweet ballad Feelings (Maurice Albert). Other songs in the set included Rudy off Supertramp's Crime of the Century and Life on Mars.

In 1977, aged 18 , I took over from Pete Brook on Keyboards and Phil Platt replaced Paul Munro on guitar and Lead Vocals. Phil left the band around Christmas 1977.

Before we looked for another guitarist, in Feb 1978, we were offered a gig in Dubai but we needed a girl singer and our agent put us together as a trio with Marie Smith from Love Lane and formerly a backing singer with Polly Brown (Picketty Witch and Sweet Dreams).

The agent had taken a flyer and told the Dubai bookers that he had a band called Silver Blue so all the contracts had been drawn up in that name , so that's what we became and the Art Nouveau name pretty much ended at that point.

We got back from Dubai in the summer and did some gigs in the UK for a few weeks but the rest of the band wanted to get back out to the lucrative work in Dubai so we parted company. I wanted to try and get a bit of a name in the UK so I joined Wayne Fontana and the Mindbenders and had great fun for the next 3 years with them. The rest of the band carried on under the name Laissez Faire and Pete Brook rejoined them with his wife , Nettie, also singing.

The guy who was there from beginning to end was Terry Welch . A lovely guy . He sadly died about 10 years ago. There were many of the guys who had played in the various incarnations of Art Nouveau at the funeral and in typical fashion we were all smiling as he disappeared through the curtains to the strains of "Always Look in The Bright Side of Life".

In the '90's , a few of the guys who had been in the band in the early days, e.g. Larry Edwards (vocals), Rod Dunford (trumpet), Brian Pearson (great drummer), Pete Taylor (guitar) got back together in a band called Souled As Seen , doing classic Stax / Atlantic soul covers. I played with them for a while in the formation period. I think they are still going , though Brian retired about 10 years ago.

As for me, in the 80's I played with 2 of the other guys in the Mindbenders when I was with them (Ken Anders and Neil Reading) in a band called Baktrak , who are listed elsewhere on here. In the 90's amongst lots of other things , I played with the guitar player from the Mindbenders , Dave Lowarch, in a band called Steve's Garage and these days , now in my '50's, I'm playing keyboards with John Lees Barclay James Harvest.

Jez Smith - 3/5/10

I was put in touch with the band through the Allan Arnison Agency of Stockport.  I've also read the sad news about Terry and regret missing his funeral but then again I live in Warrington now and lost touch with everyone a long time ago.  

Is the Greg Francis listed the same man from whom I got some Dots when I went solo as Christopher Wren circa 1977?  I am at present still singing as Compere at Derby Ward Labour Club in Bolton

Arthur Dixon - 2/8/10

Just a quick note to Arthur (aka Christopher Wren)- it is indeed I - one and the same, and I hastily apologise for those 'Dots' ... I'm sure they were pretty naff. I'd only just started to teach myself arranging at that time - I learned very quickly though, once I left Manchester in 1979.

If it compensates in any way Arthur, I did improve to the extent that, I wrote most of the arrangements for the Miss World Orchestra between 1981 - 86, and have gone on to write film scores in Hollywood, conduct the Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra, playing my 'pop' arrangements, and now I conduct the National Concert Orchestra of Great Britain. This year so far, we've backed the 'Meatloaf' tour with Steve Steinman, and toured with a Vienna Proms concert.

Quite an interesting variety of music - but I still miss the 'soul music' !   Cheers.

Greg Francis - 14/9/10

My dad Roy Rogers was the drummer in 1978 I think and was wondering if there was any recordings and how to get hold of them.

Lee Rogers - 11/11/10

Just seen the pic of Art Nouveau ! Bert Dickinson is alive and well and still gigging with our band - The Watson Brown Band. We do mainly 60's and 70's covers with a few soul and rock and rollers thrown in.

Bert joined us some time after Art Nouveau split up in the 70's. We were a five piece with Ian Warhurst on drums, Matteo Sassanelli, bass, Bert on lead, Pete from Stockport lead vocals, me on guitar and vocals, going out as the Baltimore Switch in and around the Manchester area for around three years.

Pete left to pursue a solo career and the band split later that year. We lost touch for a number of years, but myself, Ian and Matteo decided to reform around 10 years ago and actually did a surprise gig for Bert's 50th ... he ended up joining the band!

Phil Scott - 12/8/12

David is till alive and well in Bournemouth teaching music to 700 children in a junior school he-he. Seems Bert is still with us - wonder about the others - we know Terry passed away - one of life's beautiful people - he was such a lovely man.

Larry is in Bury with his band Soul ????????? and making fudge.
Best wishes

David Kenyon - 14/12/12

Well hello there everybody. Larry Edwards here alive and kicking and still gigging. Check out www.souledasseen.com formed over 20 years ago. Cant pack it in, still get the buzz.

Anyhow great memories of Art Nouveau . Sadly last meet up was Terry's funeral. What a star turn Terry was, I ever seemed to stop laughing whenever I was in his company, such a larger than life character. Not seen Kevin Harte since I had Mecca band at Portsmouth Locarno 1974. Nice to hear from all the different posts re Art Nouveau though some are later on after 68.

Didn't know Greg Pitt was Greg Francis, Rod Dunford only played with Henderson Chambers Band not Art Nouveau, another great trumpeter.

Still listen to Alan Bown occasionally brings back great memories of Art Nouveau cos that was the band we most wanted to be like. Seems hard to believe its 45 years ago. Hope everybody is doing OK.

Ps yes I do make fudge in Whitworth!

Larry Edwards - 7/1/13

Larry Edwards certainly did work at Kendall's because I worked there with him. There were a number of us playing in different groups, Keith Homewood and Nigel Holloway were doing the traditional folk thing and I was in Triple Vintage writing our own material very influenced by people like Al Steward and his Bedsitter Images album. Lunch in the canteen was one long discussion on music and comedy. 

The main thing I remember about Larry was he was a super nice guy with a great voice and he was taking the whole music thing a lot more seriously than any of the rest of us. I also remember a guitar player working there with us name of Paul Banford who was crazy good and quit because his girlfriend didn't like him being in a group!

Paul Bradshaw - 1/6/13

ART NOUVEAU ! GOOD MATES ! TERRY AN I LIVED TOGETHER IN A FLAT WHEN WE WERE FWUERKIN BROKE EVEN NICKED BOX OF EGGS (1 GROSS 144 ?) WE ATE EGGS WITH EVERYTHING x phew ! KNEW ALL U GUYS WITH AFFECTION X MISS TERRY !! 

HARRY THE FWUERK XXXX - 20/10/13

I would love to say hello to Larry after all these years. www.paulmuggleston.com is my website and I have now pretty much retired and am spending a lot of time in Mexico on my sailboat.

I would love to know what happened to our "Roadie" Dave and the Commer Van with the horns attached to the roof.

Though I was with the group only a short while the memories are solid and I remember going to Kendall's for whatever reason and we had this double finger dance thing we did with anyone who sort of looked at us!!...Just TOOOO good and a magic part of my life.

Paul Muggleston - 23/10/13 
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ME AND THE OTHERS (CHRISTCHURCH, SOUTH ISLAND, NEW ZEALAND)  

Line-up included

  • Paul Muggleston (John Paul Muggleston) - lead vocals, rhythm guitar, organ (Vox Continental) (ca. Sept 1965 - ) 
  • David 'Dave' Chapman - lead guitar (Fender Stratocaster, later a Vox) (ca. Sept 1965 - ) 
  • Gary Marvin Thain - bass (1962 Fender Jazz, later a Gibson 335) (ca. Sept 1965 - ) 
  • Peter William Dawkins - drums (Rogers), vocals (ca. Sept 1965 - ) 

Me and the Others formed in ca. September 1965 in Christchurch NZ.

Muggleston's first band was The Apaches (from 1961). Then he was in The Dices (ca. 1961), The Dynamics, The Measles and The Dynamics again who eventually became The Secrets.

Thain had been in The Strangers (formed in 1963 in Christchurch) with Thain on bass, his brother Arthur Thain on vocals, lead guitar, Graeme Ching on vocals, rhythm guitar and Dave Beattie on drums (b. David Beattie). He was later replaced by drummer Dawkins.

In 1964 Thain was poached by The Secrets, Muggleston's band with Thain on bass, Muggleston on rhythm guitar, vocals, Derek Wright on lead guitar, vocals and Wayne Allen on drums, vocals (b. Wayne Douglas Allen, Tuesday, November 5, 1946, Christchurch City, Canterbury Region, South Island, New Zealand).

The Secrets had started out as The Dynamics with Wright and Muggleston with Peter Hanson on bass and Pete Ward on drums (b. Peter James Leith Ward, Friday, July 25, 1941, Christchurch City, Canterbury Region, South Island, New Zealand) (ex-Ray Columbus and the Dominoes from 1958, Ray and the Drifters from 1960, Ray Columbus and the Invaders, Pete Ward and the Prophets).

When The Secrets disbanded in ca. September 1965 Muggleston and Thain joined forces with Chapman and Dawkins to form Me and the Others.

Thain was the son of A. P. Thain and his fist bass in ca. 1961 was a Commodore bass. Chapman's first guitar was a matching Commodore. Both had been brought in a Christchurch music store, Sedley Wells.

At this stage Chapman was practicing in his first band The Mustangs and was later in The Measles who included Bruno Lawrence (b. David Charles Lawrence, Wednesday, February 12, 1941, Worthing, West Sussex, England d. Saturday, June 10, 1995, Wellington City, North Island, New Zealand).

In Early 1965 Chapman started as lead guitarist in The Others, formed by former Strangers drummer Dawkins and who included rhythm guitarist Rob Carpenter (b. Robert Carpenter, Christchurch City, Canterbury Region, South Island, New Zealand) (ex-The Blues Revival from ca. 1961).

In about February 1966 Muggleston and Thain left New Zealand on the cruise ship 'The Australis' bound for the UK. It arrived in Southampton, Hampshire, England one month later in March 1966.

In April 1966 Chapman and Dawkins left New Zealand on the cruise ship 'Fairsky' arriving in Southampton in May 1966. Muggleston arrived to pick them up in his newly purchased car from a small place called Kirby Misperton Village, North Yorkshire where he and Thain had moved to. They ended up living in a flat in Chelsea, South West London, to which Thain arrived two weeks later.

On Friday, October 28, 1966 Me and the Others went into The Regent Sound Studios, 4 Denmark Street, West Central London to record 'Love Is Not A Game.'

After returning from West Germany in May 1967 Muggleston joined Manchester band Art Nouveau.
Gary Thain went on to play bass with Uriah Heep.

Info courtesy John H Warburg April 2025

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Judith Casey
7 years ago
Hello Larry Edwards. Do you remember the ago Jo
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Bernie
5 years ago
Art Nouveau bass guitarist late 60s was Pete Jarvis, apprentice GPO engineer with Terry Welsh (& me). Pete left when group planned to go to Germany in Beatles footsteps! Bernie
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Phil Platt
5 years ago
I was lead vocals and guitar with the band for a while mainly around Manchester but also a lot of gigs in the North East, Terry Welsh was a top guy and a fantastic bass player, he also had a great ear for harmonies, that was one thing which impressed me from the first rehearsal with AN were the rich harmonies backed up by Jezz on keyboards, cannot remember who else was in the band at that time, we used to rehearse at Terrys girlfriends dads pub opposite Belle Vue called The Cheshire Hunt.
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Lee Rogers
5 years ago
Is there any way of listening to the recordings? My dad was Roy Rogers the drummer who sadly passed away 2 years ago and I never got to hear anything. 
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Phil Platt
4 years ago
Hi Lee, Sorry to hear about Roy, he was drummer when I was in the band, real nice guy your dad was and a great drummer and could sing harmonies at the same time, for some reason I seem to remember his favourite song in the show was "Feelings".
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Jez Smith
4 years ago
Hi Phil and Lee. 

I played in the band on keys with Roy , Terry and Phil. 

@ Phil   - How are you ?  I remember Roy being really, really particular with the way you phrased the words on Feelings , so that made me laugh when I read it !  ( I also remember us jamming to your composition Alpha and Omega at the Cheshire Hunt -I bet I could still play it now , though I only have a digital mellotron these days , not the real thing!)

@ Lee - I might have a cassette recording done when we were in Dubai in 1978 (me and your dad were room mates on that trip) . It won't be great quality but I'll have a delve up in the loft for it.  I've also got photos from that trip so I'll try and scan them in if you let me have your email address.  (promise I'm not a scammer !!!)

Regards

Jez Smith
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Phil Platt
4 years ago
Wow Hi Jez, I'm doing fine and still playing and recording and probably will do untl I drop off the stage, been doing a Rolling Stones music only tribute called "Still Stones" but not done many recently with all this lock down business going on, one thing that amazed me in your message was that Art Nouveau actually played the Omega and the fact that you remember the title let alone play it. Strange as it may seem I am re-recording a lot of that old stuff at the moment and putting it to animated video, (The Alpha and Omega went onto an album after Art called "Stranger Than Fiction" by my own band "The Ride") the keyboards were played by great player called Steve Ridgway, I wanted him to put keys on the new version but unfortunately he has arthritus in his fingers and does not play any more (Maybe you can keyboard it in? heres a link to the track recorded in early eighties. https://soundcloud.com/phil-platt/04-the-alpha-and-the-omega


Anyway what have been up to in what seems like a million years ago, I see Paul Burgess from time to time and he tells me you have been doing stuff with BJH, love to know more. great to hear from you Jez. Phil
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Lee Rogers
1 year ago
Hi jez really sorry for the late reply I never realised someone had replied to me. That would be amazing if you did have anything of my dad. My email is . thanks lee
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Mike Amatt
4 years ago
I wrote a song which Art Nouveau recorded in about 1971-2 during their Cabaret years. It was a song for The Sands Club in Stretford and was written to be the final song of the evening as the last smooch was going on. Art Nouveau did a fine job of recording it. For any musos, it was a sad, gentle goodnight tune in a minor key that ended with a big fat major.
Mike Amatt
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Susan Baines
2 years ago
Hi Mike Amatt, I was the girl singer and piano player in Art Nouveau.  I remember you were in a duo with Mike sweeny! ( bernard manning, embassy club) We made the recording at strawberry studios,you made a lovely song out of nothing (very clever!)  Long time ago! Hope you're still writing . Susie Baines
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Derrick Rowbotham
4 years ago
Trying to trace my wife’s cousin who was a singer with Art round about 1967/9.
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Derrick Rowbotham
4 years ago
Trying to trace my wife’s cousin who was a singer with Art round about 1967/9.
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Derrick Rowbotham
4 years ago
Sorry name was Howard Barber 
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christine lindsay
4 years ago
so very sad to hear of roys passing. i knew him and lynn in the early 70s... when roy was in lexington park..a droylsden band.. i may even have known you as a child..xx christine
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David Sullivan
4 years ago
Hi @Phil Platt was just thinking of you earlier and remember reading you were in Art Nouveau must be great catching up with old mates on here, one member Larry Edwards mentioned Henderson's Chambers I found out few weeks ago Bassist Des Tong of Sad Cafe was a member of Henderson's chamber and they played soul at a place just on corner of Hyde Road Belle Vue around 1969/70. 
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Steven
3 years ago
I noticed that from the details above, there isn't a line up for the New Faces shows, i saw this detail on a page giving some history of the shows

"The strong harmony vocals of Manchester based group Art Nouveau were provided by:

Susan Baines (vocals / keyboards)
Howard Barber (vocals)
John Murray (drums)
Terry Walsh (bass)
Jerry Birch (lead guitar).

They were the viewers vote winners of the show and would appear again in the first show of series two"
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David Sullivan
2 years ago
Quoting Derrick Rowbotham:
Sorry name was Howard Barber , Derrick Howard is mentioned below 
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David Sullivan
2 years ago
Sorry Derrick, I meant to say Howard is mentioned below
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Ruby Williams
2 years ago
I still HV a colour photo of Terry Welsh playing at Payne's Café Royal in Llandudno in the late 60s .  He lived in lizmar terrace, Moston, Manchester. Happy days. So very sorry to hear he passed some yrs ago. 
Ruby, Llandudno
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Ian Kinsey
2 years ago
Does anybody know did Bert Dickinson grow up and live at  4 Blue Bell Avenue Moston, if so he was my best pal from the age of three until we were teenagers.
I also was in several groups and did very well in a duo called STRANGE BREW. I would love to know if it is the same Bert Dickinson and if he is still with us ?
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David kenyon
2 years ago
Hi I am David also known as Horatian the sax player - spent a number of years with .Jimmy Ruffin - however Bert did live where you say and we went to Payned in Llandudno lots - buried my dad on Xmas eve 1069 and drove straight to Llandudno. Now 74 survived cancer and miss those friends in formative years. Love to all x 
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Ian Kinsey
1 year ago
ART NOUVEAU, Does anyone know whether Bert Dickinson the guitar player was from Blue Bell Avenue in Moston Manchester. We grew up together and I was in a duo called Strange Brew. Curiosity more than anything ?
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Dave Sullivan
1 year ago
Hi, Ian, I'm actually on Facebook chatting with Phil Platt right now talking about Art Nouveau. I can ask him about Bert Dickinson 
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Ian Kinsey
1 year ago
Hello Dave,
That would be great much appreciated. please get in touch anytime.
Regards.
Ian.
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Ian kinsey
10 months ago
Hello Dave 

Did you ever find out about Bert Dickinson?

Regards 

Ian.
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